{"id":5704,"date":"2016-09-15T08:54:42","date_gmt":"2016-09-15T15:54:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atheopaganism.wordpress.com\/?p=5704"},"modified":"2026-11-02T05:01:06","modified_gmt":"2026-11-02T05:01:06","slug":"looking-forward","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/looking-forward\/","title":{"rendered":"Looking Forward"},"content":{"rendered":"

So, Gavin Frost died<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

And several writers I respect<\/strong> have weighed in<\/strong> on his shameful legacy.<\/p>\n

I can’t say any better what they have, and my rule-of-blog is not to repeat what’s already out there.<\/p>\n

What I\u00a0can<\/em> say, though, is that the death of this awful human is an opportunity to speak about what it is that makes Atheopaganism different. Or potentially so.<\/p>\n

Atheopaganism is a\u00a0forward-looking religion.<\/strong>\u00a0<\/a>We don’t claim to derive from a lineage or tradition, and as\u00a0such, we are neither beholden to nor reverent towards\u00a0so-called elders.<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

Did those who helped to create Paganism help to pave the way for where we are here? Yes.<\/p>\n

Did those who helped to shape <\/a><\/strong>modern Atheism help to pave the way for where we are here? Yes.<\/p>\n

Are prominent figures in\u00a0both camps kinda…screwed\u00a0up?<\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

So to those of us who are Atheists becoming Atheopagans, yes: some of the people who started the modern Pagan movement were loony, and a few\u00a0were delusional to the point\u00a0of evil.<\/p>\n

We learned from that. We’re getting\u00a0better.<\/p>\n

And to those who are Pagans embracing their Atheism, yes: the dogmatism of the New Atheists moved them from speakers of truth to evangelistic zealotry. They over-generalize about religion and throw the baby out with the bathwater.<\/p>\n

Still, their assertion of naturalism as the most reasonable cosmology\u00a0for a thinking human is absolutely compelling.<\/p>\n

We are fortunate in that we have no “high priest\/esses”, no hierarchs, no cult leaders. We’re just a group of people working together to create something that works for us.<\/p>\n

My hope for Atheopaganism is that we can draw forward\u00a0elements of value from what has been in the past, while firmly leaving behind the dysfunction through a firm commitment to\u00a0our values<\/strong> <\/a>and Principles<\/a><\/strong>. And then, from there, to build\u00a0our own culture, our own shared traditions sprung from our own creativity.<\/p>\n

Let us enshrine history and legacy in the form of actions of integrity, rather than the lionizing of problematic people. If that is the practice, the likes of Gavin Frost will be forgotten soon enough.<\/p>\n

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So, Gavin Frost died. And several writers I respect have weighed in on his shameful legacy. I can’t say any better what they have, and my rule-of-blog is not to repeat what’s already out there. What I\u00a0can say, though, is that the death of this awful human is an opportunity to speak about what it is that makes Atheopaganism different. Or potentially so. Atheopaganism is a\u00a0forward-looking religion.\u00a0We don’t claim to derive from a lineage or tradition, and as\u00a0such, we are neither beholden to nor reverent towards\u00a0so-called elders. Did those who helped to create Paganism help to pave the way for where we are here? Yes. Did those who helped to shape modern Atheism help to pave the way for where we are here? Yes. Are prominent figures in\u00a0both camps kinda…screwed\u00a0up? Yes. So to those of us who are Atheists becoming Atheopagans, yes: some of the people who started the modern Pagan movement were loony, and a few\u00a0were delusional to the point\u00a0of evil. We learned from that. We’re getting\u00a0better. And to those who are Pagans embracing their Atheism, yes: the dogmatism of the New Atheists moved them from speakers of truth to evangelistic zealotry. They over-generalize about religion and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Still, their assertion of naturalism as the most reasonable cosmology\u00a0for a thinking human is absolutely compelling. We are fortunate in that we have no “high priest\/esses”, no hierarchs, no cult leaders. We’re just a group of people working together to create something that works for us. My hope for Atheopaganism is that we can draw forward\u00a0elements of value from what has been in the past, while firmly leaving behind the dysfunction through a firm commitment to\u00a0our values and Principles. And then, from there, to build\u00a0our own culture, our own shared traditions sprung from our own creativity. Let us enshrine history and legacy in the form of actions of integrity, rather than the lionizing of problematic people. If that is the practice, the likes of Gavin Frost will be forgotten soon enough.    <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":5702,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[32],"class_list":["post-5704","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-pagan","tag-atheism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5704","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5704"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5704\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":22825,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5704\/revisions\/22825"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5702"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5704"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5704"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mgreen.atheopaganism.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5704"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}